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‘We won’t give up fight against gipsy camp’

Published date: 02 December 2011 |
Published by: Jim Green


 

VILLAGERS are vowing to continue their 18-month fight against controversial plans for a gipsy camp.

Hundreds of people objected when an application for a five-caravan site in Ewloe was first lodged in summer, 2010.

Campaigners formed Ewloe Green Action Group to oppose the plans.

Residents told the Leader they were “horrified” by the proposed camp on land off Magazine Lane, near Ewloe Green School.

More than 200 people attended a public meeting and 275 letters of objection were sent to Flintshire Council.

Planning chiefs were due to decide whether to give the camp the go ahead in October but at the last minute it was pulled from the agenda.

Agents Green Planning Solutions have now submitted a new application.
Opponents say they are determined to keep up the fight.

A spokesman for Ewloe Green Action Group said: “We remain resolutely opposed to this application.

“It is totally out of character for this village and nothing has changed in our position since October.”

Campaigners say although the application is for five caravans, the site could also be used to house five tourers and five brick built utility blocks with living areas.

They claim the green-barrier land is popular with walkers and dog owners and have serious concerns about heavy traffic, drainage and sewage.

Cllr Tony Sharps, deputy leader of Flintshire Council, backed residents and wrote to senior planners to voice his objections.

Ewloe councillor Dave Mackie said: “I oppose the application and fully support the residents. My stance on this has never changed. It is very important we preserve the green spaces we have got.”

Saltney councillor and environmentalist Klaus Armstrong-Braun, who has also vowed to fight the plans, said: “I have major concerns about traffic and the destruction of the eco-system. This site will cause pollution and damage to environment.”

Planning committee chairman and Ewloe councillor Alison Halford has spoken to Flintshire Council’s head of planning Andrew Farrow about the new application and was told it had been submitted due to the time taken to consider the previous application, meaning the planning process would start again.

She said: “The other application had been put back and put back. Planning officers had made a recommendation for approval but they had second thoughts.

“The problem has been that for months officers have been waiting for a survey from Bangor University saying whether there is sufficient provision for gipsy sites or not.

“They don’t seem to have done a very good job. Things seem to have gone down a black hole.”

A spokesman for Green Planning Solutions confirmed they had submitted a new application but said the company did not comment on specific applications.

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  1. Posted by: alidyl73 at 10:49 on 02 December 2011 Report

    Planning application for 5 caravans and 5 tourers will soon escalate and before we know it we will have another Dale Farm situation on our hands. Time for Cllr. Halford to step up to the mark. Rumour has it that she will not be standing again next May, better to leave on a high, having finally done something of value for the people of Ewloe.

  2. Posted by: Roland Cleth at 13:24 on 02 December 2011 Report

    Keep fighting the good fight.

  3. Posted by: eveningreader at 17:51 on 02 December 2011 Report

    'Five brick built utility blocks with living areas'. They're just taking the mickey out of the rest of us aren't they?

  4. Posted by: gartroy at 20:10 on 02 December 2011 Report

    Why is it every time these applications for gypsy sites come through they are always on green belt land? I'd never in a month of Sunday's get permission to build on green belt, so why should they? Let them apply for abit of brownfield site at the back of the ind est at sandycroft, away from residents AND off green belt

  5. Posted by: Y FFin at 10:45 on 03 December 2011 Report

    Surely if the traveller lifestyle is a genuine way of life, then their sites shouldn't need the brick built facilities associated with 'settled people'. Can someone explain why for travellers they spend such a lot of time at one place? Are they a separate ethnic community or just a disparate group of people who choose to live in caravans?

  6. Posted by: alidyl73 at 11:38 on 03 December 2011 Report

    Good point YF, if they are classed as travellers, then either travel or put down roots and live in houses. As it is our precious green belt land is being eaten into.

  7. Posted by: hangmansknotinn at 17:14 on 03 December 2011 Report

    Green belt land? This is a f-ing joke.

  8. Posted by: Hen ddraig at 17:29 on 03 December 2011 Report

    Nomad.... The dictionary says gipsy and gypsy are both correct spellings. Defined as "one of a nomadic tribe of Indian origin, that came by way of Egypt in the 14th century". You do your case no good at all by resorting to abuse and personal insults.

  9. Posted by: nomad at 17:55 on 03 December 2011 Report

    i dont care what your dictionery says,and insult im passed them stages,i think it an insult every day the council leaders and some people on here and some of the press wake up alive in a morning me and others have realised no more mr nice guy,we have the funds to build and buy and thats what we are going to do , councils can stick there sites we have a target of atleast 30 in next 10 year in northwales we have the best lawyers money can by you lot havent got a chance

  10. Posted by: alidyl73 at 18:30 on 03 December 2011 Report

    And where exactly does all this money for land and the best lawyers money can buy come from? You would have to tarmac from here to Mars to pay for all that!

  11. Posted by: Hen ddraig at 18:31 on 03 December 2011 Report

    Nomad.... You don't seem to care about anything other than your personal demands, i'm quite sure your lawyers will be only to pleased to take your money. I have never met a Mr Nice Guy from the gipsy community, they all seem just to be out to make a quick buck by any means possible.

  12. Posted by: Hen ddraig at 23:25 on 03 December 2011 Report

    Adolf Hitler knew the Nazis were the ultimate race, he ended up commiting suicide.

  13. Posted by: Hen ddraig at 00:39 on 04 December 2011 Report

    I have never persecuted anybody in my life! I am pleased to see you confirm earlier that you keep your brains on the outside of your boots.

  14. Posted by: alidyl73 at 09:30 on 04 December 2011 Report

    Well said Hen ddraig. Nomad has illustrated in no uncertain terms the hatred and resentment he and the traveling community harbor for people who dare to live in houses, work for a living, pay taxes and want to protect the community, the environment and the countryside.

  15. Posted by: Hen ddraig at 12:24 on 04 December 2011 Report

    Short service in the chuch of Nomad this morning? Off to church at 09:31 and back with more stupid comments at 09:59 I suppose it's easy when you regard yourself as a god. I hope you cleaned your boots before you went in.

  16. Posted by: a cahill at 13:25 on 04 December 2011 Report

    Nomad...everyone pays taxes even people on benifits...eg.. VAT on Electricity and Gas @20%...when you give up talking complete crap abou the way people in houses live...an exp[erience by your own admission you've never had and start lliving by the rules as we do then maybe you may get some sympathy for your cause.

  17. Posted by: a cahill at 13:34 on 04 December 2011 Report

    Actually up to now I had some sympathy for the plight of travellers but making generalisations about people in the manner you did is not on...maybe the reason Councils don't have the money for sites is because you and the activists supporting you cost them so much because you can't accept the Law or the fact that that money comes out of Council tax payers contributions to the upkeep of an area

  18. Posted by: a cahill at 13:40 on 04 December 2011 Report

    As for racism the only one spouting it is you with double chip on the shoulder attitude...must be a very unorthodox church and bible studies if you can't follow the teachings of set out in the document you base your beliefs on

  19. Posted by: nomad at 16:09 on 04 December 2011 Report

    church does not start till 11am, dont want no sympathy, and ive had it up to here being nice to a pack of morones on here every week, who talk aload of crap,councils can now stick there sites up were sun dont shine,and i stand by what i said in more detail most people i have met in houses not all i class as vomit, discusting worms i would not have a cup of tea from you. ive had it with u georger faced colliers

  20. Posted by: alidyl73 at 16:34 on 04 December 2011 Report

    Nobody who may have wandered on here and read your diatribe and vile insults, could possibly have any shred of support left for you or your community. I must thank you Nomad for furthering our cause!

  21. Posted by: angrydoll at 18:04 on 04 December 2011 Report

    Have 'travellers' ever contributed anything worthwhile to society, or do they simply take? And by take, I really mean steal.

  22. Posted by: amh40 at 06:17 on 05 December 2011 Report

    This is a hateful thread, on both sides. The anger runs deep on both sides, everyone may express it differently (one side protests the other side curses) while the councillors are rubbing their hands with glee and waiting for election day. Not all 14 year old non-travellers are druggies, the same way not all travellers are thieves. There's good and bad in all places.

  23. Posted by: amh40 at 06:20 on 05 December 2011 Report

    Time to put differences aside and listen to each other rather than making snap judgements on what's written here. Newspapers and councillors cease to exist without sensationalism bolstering them. Talk to each other and cut out the middlemen.

  24. Posted by: amh40 at 06:37 on 05 December 2011 Report

    As for going to church then cursing people with cancer....I'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't condone black magic. Sounds like Nomad has had enough of justifying their existence. I'd be kinda sick of it too. I'm on neither side, but I know that in a previous thread I asked Nomad to help us understand and he/she was very obliging. Try not to judge a person or community on what is said in anger.

  25. Posted by: eveningreader at 10:47 on 05 December 2011 Report

    I bet no-ones nicked the lead, the copper piping and metal drainpipes from your church Nomad?

  26. Posted by: eveningreader at 10:49 on 05 December 2011 Report

    They get the best lawyers through Legal Aid. Paid for by the TAXPAYER!

  27. Posted by: alidyl73 at 11:19 on 05 December 2011 Report

    amh40. All well and good but you were not the one to be cursed on here last night, or to have someone wish your parents dead. We are trying to protect our environment and our community. If we had decent Councillors we would not need to come on here. We have Cllr. Halford who is less than useless, spends all her time and energy back stabbing at County Hall.

  28. Posted by: a cahill at 11:43 on 05 December 2011 Report

    Disrespect for the law....disrect for his self proclaimed Christian ideals...disrepect for fellow humans...and I'm certain that Adlof Hitler isn't employed by WCBC in any capacity...Nomad has done nothing for his fellow travellers but make it plain that they will not and cannot be an acceptable part of society

  29. Posted by: amh40 at 12:53 on 05 December 2011 Report

    @alidyl73, surely you don't believe in curses. Don't let the words get to you, nothing will happen to you or your family. But to say such horrendous things, a person has to have been pushed to the limit. It's all very well shouting at each other, but unless we listen to each other, nothing will be achieved.

  30. Posted by: amh40 at 13:04 on 05 December 2011 Report

    I don't want another Dale Farm episode round here either, and I've had horrible experiences with travellers, but I try not to let the minority affect my opinion of the majority. But you are right in that Nomad isn't helping their cause by acting as a troll on the thread....but in truth, I think he's past caring and I don't think he has anything to do with this particular travellers site anyway.

  31. Posted by: missthe point at 13:06 on 05 December 2011 Report

    Comments made on this thread have been disgusting and vile. Can't believe the leader hasn't made them disappear. Shocking, love thy neighbour? What a joke.

  32. Posted by: a cahill at 13:14 on 05 December 2011 Report

    I would think that the objectives of the original application needs to be investigated...as to whether it's genuine or just a way of forcing their will on communities...if nomad had professed to being a Muslim he would be under lock and key by now...inciting hatred is inexcusable regardless of your personal situation...laws are applicable to all without any reservation whatsoever and all he has done is to cause Gypsies more grief than House dwellers ever could

  33. Posted by: missthe point at 13:27 on 05 December 2011 Report

    Glad to see that somne of the earlier comments have been removed.

  34. Posted by: if-you-ask-me at 18:29 on 05 December 2011 Report

    MISS THE POINT ...... would you like them next to you ?? I think not.

  35. Posted by: if-you-ask-me at 18:38 on 05 December 2011 Report

    I think poor old NOMAD needs to spend more time going to school and learn to spell and less time in church. Also needs to curb his bad language. I always think that the use of swear words reflects on the type of person you are and the upbringing you have had. It shows aggression and hatred to decent people. Travelers should keep on traveling ....Siberia is nice this time of year.!!

  36. Posted by: missthe point at 22:45 on 05 December 2011 Report

    If you ask me, I dont think you understood my comment. Had you read any of the deleted comments of Nomads? They were vile.

  37. Posted by: eveningreader at 23:54 on 05 December 2011 Report

    Let's not pull anyone's winky here. The lad who'se bought the piece of land in Ewloe hasn't even reached 30-years of age! Yet he can splash out for a piece of land and put in planning permission for x ammount of caravant or maybe bricks and mortar buildings? A piece of land Joe Bloggs would never get permission for if he bought a piece of agricultural land? They just take the wee all the time...

  38. Posted by: if-you-ask-me at 17:40 on 06 December 2011 Report

    MISS THE POINT... please accept my apologies. As for the 30 year old buying land , well we could all buy land if we didn't pay rent , mortgage and taxes. Keep moving them on is best they are no good to society.

  39. Posted by: Got A Life at 21:36 on 06 December 2011 Report

    When are the Leader going to take some responsibility and put a stop to all these racist rants. It's been going on since last week. It's one thing reporting facts but allowing these rants is too much. I've already reported "nomad" to the authorities. Don't want to have to report the Leader for similar in allowing all the others

  40. Posted by: if-you-ask-me at 16:59 on 07 December 2011 Report

    GOT A LIFE ....... go get a life !!

  41. Posted by: jd1234 at 13:27 on 13 December 2011 Report

    just reading all your comments nomad is not even a gypsy he is somebody who is try to jeopardise the palanning be windind people up as for a another dale farm the land is still in tact not one bit off dirt as been dug i understand concerns but these people have done nothing wrong it

  42. Posted by: article 19 at 20:06 on 28 December 2011 Report

    If you could prove that, because of council planning consent to alow the construction of a permanent travellers site in close proximity to your property, and as a result of their actions your property was deemed to have no market value, could you sue the council for all monies lost? and do banks and building societies have a say, because as lenders their investments (mortgages) are at risk of becoming worthless.

 

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